Site Map - skip to main content

Hacker Public Radio

Your ideas, projects, opinions - podcasted.

New episodes every weekday Monday through Friday.
This page was generated by The HPR Robot at


hpr4379 :: Mapping Municipalities' Digital Dependencies

Asking your help in mapping public services of governmental websites

<< First, < Previous, , Latest >>

Thumbnail of Trollercoaster
Hosted by Trollercoaster on Thursday, 2025-05-15 is flagged as Clean and is released under a CC-BY-SA license.
hacktivism, dependency, autonomy, society. 1.

Listen in ogg, opus, or mp3 format. Play now:

Duration: 00:13:20
Download the transcription and subtitles.

general.

In this episode, I discuss my ongoing project aimed at mapping the dependencies municipalities have on major third-party digital services, particularly focusing on Microsoft and Google , given their dominance in the market.

The aim of this research isn't about debating the quality of these products—it's assumed that with thousands of employees, these services meet most quality expectations. Instead, the focus is on the critical implications of widespread dependency and potential risks related to service interruptions or supply chain attacks.


Why is this important?

  • Supply Chain Attacks : High dependency means higher vulnerability to targeted disruptions.
  • Business Continuity : Significant risks were illustrated by incidents such as the CrowdStrike outage in July 2024 , which forced Brussels Airport back to pencil-and-paper operations temporarily.

My Research Approach:

Primarily, I analyze the DNS MX records of municipalities:


  • MX records typically reveal if mail services are hosted on Microsoft (Office 365/Exchange Online) or Google (Workspace).
  • A high probability that using these providers for email also means municipalities likely depend on the respective cloud office suite (e.g., Word/Excel/SharePoint or Docs/Sheets/Drive).

Preliminary Observations:

  • Belgium, Finland, Netherlands : Over 70% of municipalities rely heavily on Microsoft mail services, a significant warning sign of dependency.
  • Germany, Hungary : Fewer than 5% of municipalities use Microsoft or Google explicitly via MX records, though caution is necessary. Here’s why:

Challenges Identified:

  • Local MS Exchange Servers : Municipally hosted local installations aren't externally identifiable via MX records.
  • Mail Proxies : Some municipalities use mail proxy services (spam/phishing filters) obscuring the actual mail service used behind proxy domains.

Techniques Tested:

  • SPF Records : Often reveal the underlying email service, though they may contain outdated information, lowering reliability.
  • Telnet EHLO Commands : Municipalities commonly obscure their SMTP headers, limiting usefulness.
  • Cloud Provider IP-Ranges : Investigating if mail servers run on Google, Amazon, or Azure infrastructure. Even if identified, this alone doesn't clarify if proprietary or replaceable services are used.
  • TXT Records : Occasionally contain subscription keys or mail-related settings (e.g., MS subscriptions, Mailjet), but again, could be historical remnants.

Unfortunately, none of these get to show me all of the third party services.

Community Call:

I'm reaching out to listeners and the broader community for ideas or techniques on reliably fingerprinting the actual digital service providers behind mail servers. Specifically:


  • How to accurately determine if servers run Microsoft or Google services ?
  • Any ideas to detect deployments of Nextcloud or similar open-source alternatives?

Resources:


I'm looking forward to all your suggestions in the comments!


Comments

Subscribe to the comments RSS feed.

Comment #1 posted on 2025-05-25 18:18:22 by Some Guy on the Internet

I agree with the intentions.

This seems a noble goal and maybe fun to learn more about how our most critical systems are bottle-necked by FAANG. I image there isn’t a “one size fits all” approach for something like this; different techniques used per locale. Major systems (governments) may rotate services depending on budget restrictions, regulations (e.g. GDPR), or public bidding systems; here today, gone tomorrow.

Thanks for the show, Sgoti.

Leave Comment

Note to Verbose Commenters
If you can't fit everything you want to say in the comment below then you really should record a response show instead.

Note to Spammers
All comments are moderated. All links are checked by humans. We strip out all html. Feel free to record a show about yourself, or your industry, or any other topic we may find interesting. We also check shows for spam :).

Provide feedback
Your Name/Handle:
Title:
Comment:
Anti Spam Question: What does the letter P in HPR stand for?